Comments on JUSTICE4MAEVE: Imagine

So does ayone know whats the latest on Kerans appe...

2008-04-03T11:32:00.000+01:00

So does ayone know whats the latest on Kerans appeal? ?

Sorry all, things have been relatively quiet recen...

2008-03-19T16:58:00.000Z

Sorry all, things have been relatively quiet recently. As soon as I have more to post I will do another story for it!
J4M xx

Where is the Justice? God rest the poor little ang...

2008-03-18T14:18:00.000Z

Where is the Justice? God rest the poor little angels soul!

Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forward...

2008-03-13T18:01:00.000Z

Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forward on the basis of Bio-mechanics where does that leave people that really did it?

Hi,
Firstly i am no "expert" i just read into things surrounding "SBS","impact" and SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). I really do understand what your saying "its only a dummie" But do we now not drive safer cars because of these tests with "dummies". Also i dont know the basis for the Appeal of Keran, what i will say though for the Appeal to go ahead it has to pass a single Judge, if the Appeal goes on to three Judges there is compeling evidence otherwise it will be dismissed by the single Judge.
Second is have you heard of a "Lucid Interval" where the injuries can be present but showing no outward signs from such like a fall, periods of Lucidity can be as long as 72 hours (documented)

The Sheppards got the truth - Keran was found guil...

2008-03-13T17:47:00.000Z

The Sheppards got the truth - Keran was found guilty in a court of law

"Again I was bashed for my 'Imagine' piece but as ...

2008-03-13T16:27:00.000Z

"Again I was bashed for my 'Imagine' piece but as I've said already I am not going to publish any comment that berates the Sheppards, they are not on trial here. Yes you may see that as only sympathy for Maeve and her family (as someone so nicely put it, neither of who deserve it as Keran Henderson is Innocent) but it is the way it is."

The Shepperds deserve sympathy whether Keran Henderson is guilty or not but not at the expense of the truth!!

Well done justice4maeve - I do believe in SBS and ...

2008-03-13T14:41:00.000Z

Well done justice4maeve - I do believe in SBS and think what you are doing is not only courageous but extremely important. Shaking a child can and does kill not to mention leave parents and children with life long physical and mental scars. People that get convicted of it get small snetences, we have to live with it forever. If anyone doesnt like what you say (which is the truth) then don't log on to your site. And if by this site it makes people think twice of shaking then it can only be good thing. No-one knows unless it happens to them how it feels and I must say that your "imagine" piece was very close to the real thing. So don't be bullied by others who dont care or dont know any better
J

OK I have received many mails recently.I would jus...

2008-03-13T14:22:00.000Z

OK I have received many mails recently.
I would just like to say that Keran never mentioned the fits till questioned.
She brought the child to the doctor and explained she had been vomiting and lethargic (no fit mentioned in the doctors notes)
She called Maeve's father after another fit and never told him, yet again told him she was vomiting, lethargic.
Her diary notes for the child were read out in court and not once in any note was a 'fit' or anything resembling a 'fit' noted by Keran.
This was shown in the court doc's.

The child was dropped to Keran in the morning before the parents went to work (i.e. before 8.30 - if the parents work for 9) and was in hospital by afternoon (about 5 hours).

To answer another one: I am not opposed to SBS facts, clearly I show Penny Mellor and others opinions.
Again I was bashed for my 'Imagine' piece but as I've said already I am not going to publish any comment that berates the Sheppards, they are not on trial here. Yes you may see that as only sympathy for Maeve and her family (as someone so nicely put it, neither of who deserve it as Keran Henderson is Innocent) but it is the way it is.

People on this site believe in SBS and I do take opinions of why it doesn't exist too (although it will not change my mind on the Theory).

I am sorry if people feel they can not comment sometimes but I am not changing my site and to the person who actually wrote me a mail 'TELLING' me to take down the 'Imagine' piece then the answer to that is NO! If it makes an impact and makes you see just how someone must feel in that situation then it is staying there. That is how I pieced it together and that is how I plan to show others.

Thanks for your time in commenting but yet again I won't be posting comments that are insulting to this site.
I don't mind criticism, it goes to show I am achieving what I set out to do (which is make people see all the facts).

Penny does a lot of research into this and i know ...

2008-03-13T11:59:00.000Z

Penny does a lot of research into this and i know it is hard to accept the facts either way but i doubt she meant things as everyone is taking them. Lets keep to the issues and work on justice whatever the outcome we need to protect our children

Penny- Ttoally agree with J that was a very disres...

2008-03-13T11:16:00.000Z

Penny- Ttoally agree with J that was a very disrespectful comment!!

Your entitled to believe what you want but at least have some respect for those who sit on the opposite side of the fence!

No one on here ever disrespects your views (even tho 90% of the time we dont agree with you)

penny, it is well known that retinal haemorrages o...

2008-03-12T17:54:00.000Z

penny, it is well known that retinal haemorrages on their own are not just from SBS and it quite rude to comment the "whos who of the shaken baby crew" - what an insult to parents who have lost their loved one.

I agree with anon - a child has died and a women convicted of that death - we should all have a bit more respect for the Shepards and their loss
J

I need to correct a point being bandied around the...

2008-03-12T14:23:00.000Z

I need to correct a point being bandied around the internet. Neither Andrew Scott or Bill Bache were involved in the 2005 SBS appeals in London.

"Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forwar...

2008-03-12T14:19:00.000Z

"Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forward on the basis of Bio-mechanics where does that leave people that really did it?"

It does not, contrary to what anyone is saying, form part of the appeal. I hope that answers that question and to give you the analogy if new genetic research hadn't been introduced into Cannings Angela would still be in prison.

It doesn't work in the way you think it does. For any breakthrough in medical science to become acceptable it has to be peer reviewed ( for around two years) before it can be published, the peer review system is quite exhaustive.

Comments have been made on this blog reference "mechanics", it's bio-mechanics: Biomechanics is mechanics applied to biology. This includes research and analysis of the mechanics of living organisms and the application of engineering principles to and from biological systems. This research and analysis can be carried forth on multiple levels, from the molecular, wherein biomaterials such as collagen and elastin are considered, all the way up to the tissue and organ level.
Given that these doctors are used by the biggest car manufacturing companies in the world to test the safety of vehicles in crash situations for human beings, their qualifications aren't just exemplary, they have to be at the top of their game, or the car manufacturers would be sued.

Now let's talk about Pat Lantz, who is a qualified pathologist, he saw retinal heamorrhaging in many of the bodies he autopsied, people that had died from various illnesses, gun shot wounds, etc etc.

So would somebody like to explain to me why the "who's who of the shaken baby crew" always state SBS? Or has this fact been conveniently overlooked?

Have a quick google on retinal folds, you'll see what I mean, caused by all sorts of things and can be genetic, bet they didn't test for that. Actually they couldn't have because you need the vicitm to be alive.

For reference you cannot test for epilepsy after death and even in life below the age of two it is extraordinarily difficult to diagnose, that's why the paediatrician in Leicester got into deep water, making too many DX's.

Here is the list of just a few things that cannot be tested for in anyone who is dead all can cause death, retinal haemorrhaging and bleeding in the brain:

Diabetes Insipidus
Epilepsy
Long QT Syndrome
SIADH

I would like to make something very clear in among...

2008-03-12T13:37:00.000Z

I would like to make something very clear in amongst all the politics: A child has died, her life has been taken from her unwillingly. A mum and a dad have lost their precious baby girl. Babies get sick, there is no denying that fact. However, all these "what ifs" and scientific facts do not take away the main fact that a life has been lost. Mr Sheppard made it very clear that both himself and his wife had never imagined that Mrs Henderson was to blame....only until they were convinced otherwise by the professionals. It makes me wonder why everyone is questioning the professionals because lets be realistic, without them, murders, rapists, paedophiles and the like would be walking the streets. Mrs Henderson might have a glowing reputation and I absolutely understand why everyone does not believe she could hurt a child but let me make one thing very clear, the mind is an unbelievable powerful tool and it can falter at anytime - even if you are "perfect" in everyone's eyes. I believe Mrs Hendersons mind faltered and it resulted in Baby Maeve losing her precious little life. I just hope that someday, the Sheppards and their families are allowed to grieve for their little princess in peace, because there is no chance they can whilst all this drama is occuring. My thoughts and prayers are with the Sheppards and Mrs Hendersons children.

Thanks for clairying that point. Its hard to belie...

2008-03-12T12:00:00.000Z

Thanks for clairying that point. Its hard to believe that if her and her husband both saw a fit and never reported it to anyone, not even the parents that it can be relied upon. I also read something about a 5 year old child seeing something but I guess this is not true either. But all this evidence does not take away from the medical evidence anyway it only adds to the suspicions.
J

Yes Keran had taken Maeve (and the other children ...

2008-03-12T11:25:00.000Z

Yes Keran had taken Maeve (and the other children who were in her care) to the GP and hospital on previous occasions.

Maeve was seen by doctors prior to the fit because...

2008-03-12T11:14:00.000Z

Maeve was seen by doctors prior to the fit because Keran said she was vomiting.
The doctors diagnosed a viral infection and Maeve was treated, when she returned to Keran she was sick again and Keran brought her to the doctor, at this point Keran told the doctor that the child had been sick but no mention of a fit. This is not in any doctors reports. The only time Keran mentioned a fit to anyone was on the 999 tape but when questioned, keran said Maeve had a fit previously and in the company of her husband Iain once too but this wasnot told to the parents or the doctors at the time.

thanx, i understand she should of but I have read ...

2008-03-12T10:42:00.000Z

thanx, i understand she should of but I have read in other places Maeve was seen by doctors regarding possible fits before this incident. Whats the real truth? Did anyone apart from Keran know Maeve had fits before this happened?
J

"I am confused - did Keran tell about the prior fi...

2008-03-12T09:21:00.000Z

"I am confused - did Keran tell about the prior fits before the incident took place. If she did and still SBS is suggested does that not give more weight to the medical evidence. If the doctors knew of fits, they would have been testing Maeve for a while. Or is it that she failed to tell them of such an important issue in which case it weakens her defence and stature as such a respected person.
J"

From what i read She didnt mention any fits to anyone !!!!

Until she needed a defence! It wasnt until she was being investigated that she decided to say Maeve had fits!

What caring carer(mary poppins type lady as she is often protrayed)would not tell the parents That Maeve had a fit while in her care.

I dont think Maeve ever had a fit! Keran Henderson needed to say something and she made up the fit story to try to cover herself!!!

Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forward...

2008-03-12T09:18:00.000Z

Research, tell me, if Keran put her appeal forward on the basis of Bio-mechanics where does that leave people that really did it?
Plus Prof Stephenson also gave a great answer saying, these are dummie, they do not react the same as a person, the do not have the nerves and contents human heads have, therefore we may be sure the force might not snap the neck but we can't be sure what else it does?
I also have another argument, Maeve didn't fall according to Keran, if she had then it would have been much easier to explain her death but she didn't according to Keran. Now saying that, the recon was shown of a child falling off a sofa, Maeve was in a walker so Did she fall???? I mean Keran never said she had a fit before, did she not say she fell too????
You can look at every scenario from both sides, there is always a for and against answer but there is actually more theories that explain SBS.

I think the comment about the doctors not doing en...

2008-03-11T22:23:00.000Z

I think the comment about the doctors not doing enough refers to her having been to the hospital at least 3 times beforehand which John Sweeney mentioned

Like almost everyone has stated "not biased" then ...

2008-03-11T20:41:00.000Z

Like almost everyone has stated "not biased" then there are questions pending an answer. I was amazed at the amount of G's created from such a short fall, in comparison to a RTA. I strongly agree Keran is innocent, in context If and When the Appeal rules an Unsafe conviction both familys have to rebuild lives.
It must be a living nightmare for both side's involved, i feel for the Sheperds and Hendersons.

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I am confused - did Keran tell about the prior fit...

2008-03-11T18:06:00.000Z

I am confused - did Keran tell about the prior fits before the incident took place. If she did and still SBS is suggested does that not give more weight to the medical evidence. If the doctors knew of fits, they would have been testing Maeve for a while. Or is it that she failed to tell them of such an important issue in which case it weakens her defence and stature as such a respected person.
J

Ms Fisher, your comments are as welcome as anyone ...

2008-03-11T17:28:00.000Z

Ms Fisher, your comments are as welcome as anyone elses and I gather as a friend of the Sheppards it would disgust you.
I would like to apologize for any hurt, but the only reason I put that comment up is to show how low people will go to satisfy their own needs. I can and will remove it now as to not hurt anyone elses feelings. I am sorry for your pain!

From what I can gather, there is not evidence to s...

2008-03-11T17:26:00.000Z

From what I can gather, there is not evidence to say keran did or didn't injure the child on a before date but the fact remains, the child only ever had fits in keran's care, therefore that possibility would not ever be ruled out. On the other hand if keran had told the doctor of theses fits at the beginning then maybe the doctors would have been aware and diagnosed Maeve asap.